The Springfield Trapdoor rifles and carbines were a series of breech loading rifle and carbine weapons built from 1865 to about 1888, beginning with the Model 1865 and then with other models being introduced every few years. There were several good articles about loading BPCR cartridges in a couple of back issues of TFS. During the past year I scratched a longstanding itch and bought a nice Mod. H & R 1873 Springfield Trapdoor Officers Model in very good condition. The inside is extra nice. For your security, your session will expire in 2 minutes … So that's it, the easiest reloading I've ever done, with the absolute minimum of tools and expense. In the past I used a home-made dipper made from a pistol cartridge case with a piece of 14 gauge copper wire soldered on for a handle. The wad gets pushed into the hollow base and interferes with the expansion. What you mean by "modern ammo" and "trapdoor springfield" in the same sentence I have NO CLUE. But with black powder you need to avoid allowing an air gap to be present between the base of the bullet and the top of the powder. Another good source of factory ammunition for the Trapdoor is the "Cowboy" loads; they're loaded to mild pressure levels and have lead bullets that are easier on the aging steel of the venerable Springfield rifles. i cajoled my dad every three hours to let me get a lyman tool for my 218 bee ... he finally caved in when he saw my crutched up loading methods ... Maybe instead of wads taking up that excess space, put a wad in on top of the powder and fill the rest of the space with a grease cookie. This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. That the single shot Trapdoor Springfield was a satisfactory weapon for both infantry and cavalry is evidenced by the fact that it was not until 1892 that it was replaced by a repeater in the form of the bolt action .30-40 Krag Jorgenson rifle. My problem is the trigger pull. It never hurts to bell the case mouth. The bore and chamber look. I took my first bear with a trapdoor cadet. They all shoot high from this position. I pan lube with SPG, that has worked best for me, each his or her own for lube and application. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful.45-70 military cartridge. Thanks, Ed. I just bought a Springfield Model 1884 Trapdoor rifle. I was casting and reloading for the 30/06 at that time, and bought a Lyman 457191 305 grain mold to make bullets; but couldn't come up with the cash for the reloading dies, shell holder and sizing dies for a while. According to my notes, my very pretty 1873 Trapdoor liked the following: Brass: Remington (or Starline or whatever you can find) 35gr IMR 3031 Oregon Trail Laser Cast 405gr (0.459" - my bore slugged 0.460 best I could tell). Here's a 45-70 case with the Lee de-capping rod and base, and a mallet to operate them. 73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia. It was a redesign of the Army’s Allin Trapdoor rifle. Back in the days before hip surgery, and eye floaters, guess were alittle late here, a good book on trapdoors and reloading for them is by pat and spencer wolfe,has a lot of info including how to safely lighten trigger pull and wealth of historical info on these guns, overall agood read   imo, never late for good information Thanks I just almost finished putting together an 1868-70 50-70. Unless the case mouth is belled, the gas will come around the case and dent the case and get it all dirty. This is usually done with 1, 2 or possibly more wads being pushed down on top of the powder column before seating the bullet. Put a bullet in the chamber, push it in with a plugged case and close the door on the plugged case to breech-seat the bullet. 405 gn loads in the 14-1600 FPS range would be safe in a Trapdoor Springfield IF the rifle has been checked by a gunsmith and determined to be in condition to shoot standard 45-70 ammo. It battled the Ku Klux Klan throughout the South in the early 1870s and put down labor unrest in Chicago in 1877. it takes a long eye relief scope, mines a … ***** A Targetized Trapdoor by John Ryckman John has described how he has altered a .45-70 Springfield trapdoor rifle to optimize its shooting qualities. hard to find one this nice! It was a redesign of the Army’s Allin Trapdoor rifle. Look for your answers in our Forum and in our bi-monthly publication the Fouling Shot. Slight scratch on RHS butt stock. Mine shot just like Rich-Siegel's. Known as the Rod-Bayonet or Model 1888 Rifle. Breech block is marked U.S. Model of 1884, Buffington rear sight, inspector cartouche is dated 1888, P … NEW FOR YOU Only ever Nitro powder. get low cost} prices Shooting Edge Gunsmith And Springfield Trapdoor Gunsmithing now. This will fit almost all Trapdoor Springfield rifles and carbines except cadet models and M1888 ramrod bayonet models but is correct for pieces made before about SN 78.000. Cpt - if you care to look up the birth date of your rifle, here's a link ... John Boy- The sight shown in your photo is the 1879 Buckhorn. this ramrod is straight and measures a full 35 1/2" with 97-99% original finish present. I had a Sharps 1863 carbine converted to 50/70 by the military and it also shot about 14" high at 100 yards but shot dead on at 200 yds. For additional photographs, descriptions and specifications see: The .45-70 Springfield-Book I or The .45-70 Springfield-Book II-1865-1893.. Return to Front Page View Sporting Rifles View Model 1884 Round Rod Bayonet Rifles The Trapdoor was further modified in 1884 with a new (Buffington) rear sight that gave windage correction and the rifle soldiered on until replaced by the bolt-action 30/40 Krag-Jørgensen in 1892, which was the US’ first smokeless cartridge. The musket barrels were left as they were and utilised .58-calibre, copper-cased rimfire ammunition. Metal has some pitting around the wood stock, wood is solid with dings and scratchs you would expect for a 130 year old firears, no cracks. Presuming you are shooting an origianl Trapdoor Springfield, although you are shooting a bullet that is lighter than the original 405 gr. Beautiful colour case hardening. The Springfield stayed in service until 1893, when it was replaced by the Krag–Jørgensen bolt-action rifle. I was developing loads for a friend's rifle and the shooting high was a pain. The hammer on a trap door Springfield is just the right size for belling the case mouth; a necessary step in reloading low velocity loads. This rifle was in nice condition, with a bright and shiny bore; and cost $40. I have a very nice Trapdoor with a mint bore. Select a load starting around 10 grains and never more than 14 grains of Unique. Like a 1750 ft-lb of muzzle energy wallop. Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by chuck faison, Aug 25, 2009. I have not try to measure it but it must be 10-12 pounds. Have a question? This test was held on a NJ beach to get the range, and for the sand impact area that would indicate hits. MP0282 Saddle Bar Ring 1873-1889 Springfield 45/70 Trapdoor Carbine, Spencer Rifle/Carbine, & 1859 - 63 Sharps, 1874 Sharps, & Our Price: $4.95 Compare I have found in my rifles one likes heavy loads and the other lite loads. The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. Here's the ice pick. Earlier sights (1873) did not have the windage. Why Choose Us? I believe the 1879 sight is adjustable for windage once the slide is raised from the base position. The trapdoor mechanism continued with the adoption of the Springfield 1873 rifle, chambered in the new .45-70 cartridge. It's great to see you over here. For your entertainment, here is a trapdoor I finished a couple weeks ago. After the Civil War, Springfield armory won the bid to manufacturer weapons for the US Army. The trapdoor mechanism continued with the adoption of the Springfield 1873 rifle, chambered in the new .45-70 cartridge. I bought my first 45/70 rifle, a Springfield model 1884, from Ralph Laffoly at his gun shop in Melrose Mass. Full-stocked, 32 inch barreled rifles, as … The gun, in both full-length and carbine versions, was widely used in subsequent battles against the American Indians. A short bit of time and anyone can get the feel for this. It is a lot sharper than the picture shows, and will decap cases easily when whacked with a stick. The oldest.45-70 Gov’t I’ve shot is a Springfield Model 1873 “Trapdoor” Carbine with “US/MODEL/1873” stamped on its breechblock. However the Trapdoor saw service in the Spanish/American war in Cuba by reservists. It was an 1888 version in pristine shape. I think this test helped get the 500-grain M1881 bullet and cartridge. (Thanks to Steve Adair for the pictures showing a trapdoor Springfield.) The final development in the Trapdoor Springfield story issued to the regular and volunteer U.S. troops. 1873 Springfield. The Model 1873 is the most popular with collectors. I dare say there ha e been a lot more rollers blown than TD probably because there are people rebarreling to high intensity rounds. Springfield Trapdoors abound at gun shows, gun shops, pawnshops and in private collections. That prevents accurate shooting as for as I am concerned. Compressing the powder often improves the performance of a lot of black powder loadings. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. BECAUSE: * Some modern .45-70 ammo is currently loaded so it is held to the 18,000 CUP pressure limits, and thus is safe in .45-70 trapdoor rifles in good condition. how does this sound to you? my eyes are still good enough for target with the buffington sights but not to hunt with. Remington still loads some .45-70 ammunition to safe levels for the Trapdoor; they're labeled as such. Adjustable Soul type rear sight and Lyman Tunnel front sight. Springfield 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor Cadet Rifle) Rifles for sale in Christchurch, United Kingdom in 1963. Good luck with those Buffington sights. This includes the Trapdoor Springfield. It mounted the bayonet thrust through Crazy Horse and fired the bullet that killed Sitting Bull. Compare prices 1884 Springfield Trapdoor Rifle And 22 Long Rifle Automatic Pistol Full-stocked, 32 inch barreled rifles, as well as half-stocked, short-barreled carbines, were produced. I will use Black Hills .45-70 Cowboy loads. I hope the data from my experience helps you. It is safe in all firearms (in good condition) chambered for this caliber. It retains most of its original finish and sports an 1881 cartouche. beautiful preservation! In fact this very gun was used to almost completely wipe out the largest land mammal in North America. The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. Otherwise Excellent. The trapdoor Springfield outlived Custer. The 1873 US Springfield Trapdoor chambered in.45/70 is a true American classic and perfectly capable of taking large sized game today. Velocity is 1,410 FPS from 18″ barrels. The Model 1884's have a really cool rear sight that allows for both windage and elevation adjustments, and adjusting it to play with the POI at different ranges is (for me) part of the fun of shooting a Trapdoor. I've read the following article before, and it's been referenced in several places. this ramrod is straight and measures a full 35 1/2" with 97-99% original finish present. Jim The rifle is all original and saw little use. I don't spend much time on the computer any more. Now our trapdoors are shooting at a far higher level of accuracy than ever before. There should be a bit of drag on the empty belled case is chambered, not too much to make the case hard to chamber, just enough so you can feel it drag. vintage.45-70 springfield trapdoor rifle*original* m1879 ramrod* for your viewing pleasure* vintage*original* m1879 springfield trapdoor rifle* correct ramrod* 45/70 caliber-indian wars era(1866-97) in excellent working condition! The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. If you are shooting a 405 grain hollow base bullet, I would look askance at using an over-powder wad. This is our lighter recoiling 45/70. It bore the bayonet thrust through Crazy Horse, and fired the bullet that killed Sitting Bull. The resulting .4570 cartridge went on to fame in Winchester and Remington rifles, but in the trapdoor Springfield it was a miserable failure. The Springfield seems to like the harder cast as much as a soft lead boolit but doesn't like jacketed. yes i meant Swiss 2f black powder, some time my fingers and mind don't work together lol. Put a thumb sized piece of toilet paper in the charged case and push it down on the powder with a stick or a pencil to keep the powder in place when loading. Mr. Laffoly threw in a box of ammunition after I paid, which was his way with the younger shooters. He has included a number of … Only you will know. 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor Rifle - A ruggedly worn Original example of the Springfield Trapdoor rifle. The model 1884 incorporated a significant number of improvements that had been made between 1878 and 1879. He has included a number … However, time marches on. A "traditional" load for the Trapdoor has been 22 grains of 2400 with a 400 grain cast bullet sized at least.460, most Trapdoor bores are oversize. The server has not detected any activity for the last 3 hours. 6.7 LOADING THE SPRINGFIELD 45-70 THE EASY WAY   The wad gets pushed into the hollow base and interferes with the expansion. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. Stormin, depending on the model Trapdoor you have, adjusting your rear sight may be your fix. From a hide , about 50 yards. Buy Shoot 22 Magnum And Long Rifle And Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle Shoot 22 Magnum And Long Rifle And Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle Reviews : You Last worked on by Springfield in 1893. A local gunsmith and former armorer took a look and removed the pin that held the front sight balde and replaced the blade with one from a Krag or Springfield (can't remember which) put the pin back in and all was well at 100. He said the government never liked to change things and the butt plate screws for GI rifles were the same ones that were made for the civil war muskets. bullet, even if you load with the heavier slug, the rifle will shoot 18-24" high at 100 yds! http://smg.photobucket.com/user/waksupi/media/P1010001-002_zpsryr4czlr.jpg.html>http://smg.photobucket.com/user/waksupi/media/P1010003-002_zpsrxu7esez.jpg.html> #Permalink I have a couple Springfield 45-70's, and shoot exclusively black powder by choice. The primer is seated a little above the head of the case. Our 5447 members have posted 77005 times in 4973 discussions. VERY nice work. The trapdoor,model 1884 is a lot stronger than an Allin conversion and a Number 5 roller should be tougher than a number 1 Sporter. beautiful preservation! Also comes with original front sight and rear peep sight. During the following 20 years quite a big number of Springfield Trapdoor rifles have been manufactured, among them also many versions with smooth barrel for cadets, for the target shooting and destined to the Officers. The result of the quest for a more accurate, flatter shooting .45 caliber cartridge and firearm was the Springfield Trapdoor rifle. The function of the hollow base is to expand and seal the base against the rifling. On this rifle the cleaning rod was the bayonet; the bayonet could be extended ahead of the muzzle and was held by a catch mechanism. Using BP is a great loading experience and is different in some ways than using smokeless powders. By the way, I hope you're using a black powder lube when loading those bullets over black powder rather than any of the smokeless powder lubes. The 1884 Springfield Trapdoor shoots a straight sided, rimmed 45-70 cartridge propelled (traditionally) with 70 grains of black powder. vintage.45-70 springfield trapdoor rifle*original* m1879 ramrod* for your viewing pleasure* vintage*original* m1879 springfield trapdoor rifle* correct ramrod* 45/70 caliber-indian wars era(1866-97) in excellent working condition! The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. Joined: Sep 27, 2007 Messages: 10. hard to find one this nice! this site specializes in: (1) trapdoor springfield rifles & carbines, 1865-1893; (2) indian war & span-am war: u.s springfield trapdoor arms; (3) 1865-1893 military: bayonets, knives, entrenching tools/trowels, mills & prairie belts, mckeever / dyer pouches & carbine boots. The Springfield model 1884 was one of the "Trapdoor Springfield" rifles. Rivoli Rifle Club at New Windsor, Illinois had a early November Turkey Shoot with an offhand match for the Trapdoor at 200 yards on a swinging clay pigeon, many shooters used the above load. 1 This had a … Springfield Trapdoors abound at gun shows, gun shops, pawnshops and in private collections. It equipped the troops also during the Spanish-American War (1898-1899). The stout cartridge propels a hefty 405 grain lead bullet at around 1400 fps. This is the process that always accompanies a paper patch bullet so why not try it with; I'm assuming now, your grease groove bullets. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > chuck faison Member. Allin was granted a patent for his design on Sept 19th, 1865. The Trapdoor Springfield outlived Custer. 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