And Jiren is the only being next to Goku Ultra Instinct that's shown to be able to can fight on par with Beerus' level. I can say for 100% certainty though that Gogeta Blue >Full Power Jiren > Omen Goku 3rd time since Gogeta bodied a person with identical statements to Omen Goku at least. still nothing. @pickle-o: SSJ4 Gogeta is from GT and likely would not know this. @phantasial: Stop it, go back to wanking Naruto. IF Beerus and Gogeta ever fights Beerus will still win since he's never brought out his true power in a match. @devoidruby: That's complete and utter BS. @karkus: Might and Probably are the same? The real debate should be SSJB vegito vs Beerus. And his statement was solely basing it off of the Beerus in [God of Destruction arc]. All I want is crystal clear answers from a credible source. During the Super's [Revival of F arc.] @chasekilleen: in the manga Beerus was holding his oun against 11 GoDs Belmod including, as well being the last GoD standing alongside quitela who’s statement proves this 2 are the strongest GoDs saying he figure both of them will be the last standing, while elmod was smiling on the ground it doesn’t mean his stronger than Beerus it’s only mean he rather not put himself in a hard fight for no good reason while Beerus and quitela had a score to settle and are the strongest GoDs, also in the manga it was quitela who beat Beerus in Arm wrestling not Belmod and even if you want to argue it’s Belmod in the anime it doesn’t mean he will beat him in a straight fight it’s only Means he’s slightly stronger, Beerus has better feats/statements and implication to be the strongest GoD. ?They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus... Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus.When did they say "might"?Give me the direct quote... @karkus: I'm talking about how the dubbed said it. @tony501: In the manga:Belmod is able to damage all of the Gods of Destruction by capturing them in Imprisonment Balls and attacking with Energy Cards. Judging by what we see in the movie Gogeta Blue hasn't shown anything that's comparable to Jiren in Tournament of Power. It meant the destruction of his universe if his team loses. Gogeta vs Beerus Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - YouTube Buu was going to destroy the mortal universe, there is nothing suggesting otherworld would have been destroyed too. you claim it's dumb despite seeing inferior feats...so, feats > scaling. I never claimed Broly was stronger than Beerus. ?Do you not understand synonyms?? There's nothing to shake in a void. Buu used Vice Shout to collapse dimensional walls and pass through them, Gogeta and Broly were shattering entire dimensions. clearly something is wrong with that hence why scaling is as important as feats. He didn't have to be, he and Whis were right there and free to stop him if need be. @karkus: Still doesn't prove Beerus is any means weaker does it? In the 40 minutes we've seen Jiren broke Goku's and Vegeta's limits many, many times, by giving them a massive Zenkai boost. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. Gogeta should win. The fact he took years to build that much energy shows OS himself is actually even weaker than that, so beating him isn't really much of an achievement here. Beerus power level at 100% is around 3 billion. Gogeta 100x BBK > Gogeta SS4 (dozens of times stronger than an SS4) > SS4 (>= SS vegito) > SS vegito > Buuhan (near-universal). @karkus: I never said Beerus stomps Broly. Furthermore, Full power SSJ Broly couldn’t even land a single finger on Gogeta once he used SSB. Read Gogeta vs Beerus from the story Dragon Ball Xeno: Part one by Silenttoast132 with 344 reads. Beerus one shots all of GT. Gogeta was powerful, but more powerful than Beerus is bogus, since A). Not with collision. That wasn't base Goku. So yeah, good list! Quotes? I would put SSJ4 Gogeta at 100%, 10% Omniking!So,he just goes full power and thrashes SSJ4 Gogeta. Please OP, this is so one sided. Beyond that fight, Goku has never saw what Beerus is capable of (anime). The only two mortals that surpasses Beerus are Jiren and Goku with his Mastered Ultra Instinct form. Frieza was still in his transformation and he was not even fatally wounded. Also, if Beerus was much stronger than Broly, it would be disingenuous to include such a statement with no indication that it was wrong. Plus, Gogeta only lasts for 30 minutes. Articles from a legitimate source? ... least equal to Gogeta if not stronger since Beerus wasn't even that interested even when he sensed both Broly's and Gogeta's power. And Beerus has never shown his full strength, in the Super anime+manga, it's never stated that which percentage of power Beerus used.If Broly was such a threat to Beerus' position as a God, then why didn't he intervene, nor ever did Whis as well.Whis was merely playing aroud with Broly. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Makes sense. @deathwingterminatort1000: Gogeta only lasts 15 minutes max in Ssj4 so he doesn't even have the standard 30 minutes. The strongest SS4, Gogeta, fodderized Omega Shenron....who did nothing noteworthy. I have stated that Goku was only comparing it to Beerus when he was fighting with him at the start of the Super series when attained his God form. @mainjp: When Broly attacked Frieza in his Golden form for an hour, not only Frieza didn't sustain any life threatening injuries, but Frieza was still in his Golden form.Toppo a God of Destruction in training, theorectically the weakest God of Destruction, absolutely thrashed Frieza without trying whatsoever and Jiren knocked Frieza out cold in one shot.Gogeta smashing dimensions is nothing new since Super Buu nearly succeded in doing that whilst Gohan was absorbed.That's not impressive at all... Jiren's 'hint of his true power' made Goku revert back to his base form, because he realized how powerful he truly was and Vegeta said that Jiren's Ki was the 'heaviest ki I have ever felt'. Yes. Meanwhile SSB is an advancement of a form that could physically destroy the universe with shockwaves from physical attacks. Well, all of those words mean more or less the same thing, as I'm sure you know. I … The power levels for both these characters are unclear but it is implied that SSJB is beyond anything we've seen. Toppo a God of Destruction in training, the weakest God of Destruction is more powerful than Frieza. ", while Gogeta will say "Maybe I can win against Lord Beerus now." Broly on the other hand neither made Beerus bat an eye, nor did he make Goku and Vegeta break their own limits and also Goku and Vegeta never used their Kaioken and Evolution (respectively) So we can definitely say that didn't try their absolute hardest. Whis never mentions that Broly was in a God of Destruction's domain like Jiren has when he was comparing to Beerus as a God of Destruction. And Beerus scales of off jiren and goku who shook infinite world of void, so yes he scales higher. You can't compare Beerus especially since, he has never shown his full strength. So,Gogeta goes 100% and again,wins with even more scratches.Finally, the Omniking.I say the Omniking is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. @phantasial: Threatning to bust the universe multiple times casually>>>>deflecting a ball that would gradually errode the universe. He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. Beerus via superior feats and even better scaling. Yeah, they show something is possible, but the words connote varying degrees of likelihood. beerus locks at universal. Yeah, but we can get an idea that he used a good amount when he fought Champa in the baseball episode. Base Gogeta (DBS) vs. Vegito Blue (DBS) Considering how insane and ludicrous the scaling and power creep between each arc is in DBS, I thought this would be an interesting match. You did, and still haven't provided any evidence. It evidently concludes that they don't think of Broly as a threat (universally) in anyway. You were the one who claimed Beerus >>> Broly, but haven't provided any evidence. @karkus: Go to 3:20...He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. Not bad at all! Probably > Might. Now, go to 3:06 and see that Whis already knew Jiren was far from full power. He only said "Looks like they have managed it". MUI Goku was around Beerus full power and likely a bit stronger. Perhaps Gogeta could damage him, but I just think that he's above him. Vegito should be way stronger but with how fucked super power scaling is you never know. Even if you disagree the basis of your argument is still dumb, cause both Gogeta and Beerus scale far above Buuhan. Yes, you stated that, but it's unsure if it's true. @karkus: People are using Goku's statement where he said "You might/probably stronger than our Beerus." Goku base and Beerus had the potential to destroy the entire universe just by colliding their fists and God form the impact of their fists destroyed solar systems. @mainjp: You still haven't shown any feats nor evidence saying that Gogeta is stronger.Jiren still had better feats than Gogeta and Broly's fight. In the movie, just the standard Super Saiyan power-up was enough for him to beat the crap out of Frieza for about an hour and it took the combined might of both Vegeta and Goku (literally) to finally take the big beast down. He was shaking the stadium, that's the only thing there is to shake. Stomp. Keep in mind this is Vegeta post Battle of Gods, Golden Frieza, Universe 6 vs 7, Black Goku/Future Trunks arc. Then Gogeta f*#ed around on Broly, so that puts Gogeta around Beerus level aswell, maybe above it, but its safest to say that he's 'around' that level. don't worry if plot wants then there will be a transformation for goku and friends to overcome beerus and everyone above him. It was heavily implied that in both manga and anime that Belmod is stronger than Beerus. @chasekilleen: Vegito in the Black Arc was said to rival Beerus by Shin in the manga, I feel like Post ToP he surpassed him given the fact it was said Gogeta=Vegito in one of the guid book I saw once for the movie, there is also the fact Jiren is confirmed by the angels to be high GoD Tier And stronger than Belmod who I believe is in the Top 5 strongest GoDs with Beerus and quitela at the Top with Jiren in their level more or less(Beerus can’t be that much stronger than Belmod) And Broly is evry bit as strong as Jiren or maybe more in raw power given Freiza’s statement and Goku’s as well, he also outmatched SSj Gogeta who is already in the GoDs range of power given the fact his base form is stronger than Blue Goku/Vegeta by the lock on piccolo when they fuse, Now Broly does lack the skills and experience Beerus has but Gogeta power is so great he can overcome it with nearly equal skills anyway given the fact he has Goku and Vegeta but I still favor Beerus due to UI, Hakai can be a factor but I think Gogeta will overpower it like Vegeta did to Toppo, UI is also a factor but unless he has its mastered form Beerus won’t beat him tho I feel like he has something under his sleeve given how unthreatened he was from Broly/Jiren when he encounters them tho MUI Goku did made him give his respect but there was no fear as tho Goku become his equal and not his superior, in the end Gogeta has to much power to lose his skills are enough to compete with any GoDs and just like Jiren didn’t need UI to match Goku so doesn’t Gogeta need to beat Beerus who’s only chance is if in fact he has mastered UI and keeps everyone in the dark for sports as he usually does when he fights given how strong he is. That's ironic. B). beerus is only Universal via feats. In other words, anyone with twice the energy (power) of Beerus would be 2-C. @Hizack123 Goku outright states that Broly is 'probably' stronger than Beerus. Goku stated that Broly might even surpass Beerus. Please OP, this is so one sided. Never has Whis nor anyone else stated that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful. SSJ4 Gogeta vs. Beerus. I could point to some scaling, but why should I bother. -The only thing they know about each other is that Beerus is a god of destruction, and that SSJ4 Gogeta is a fusion of 2 saiyans ; And that each might be stronger than anything they've faced before. SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power. Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus. He has Whis to protect him, and is a good match for Broly himself. So Arale is stronger than Vegeta and Goku is she? Blue is an absolute mismatch tho... @chasekilleen: It was said by the director Frieza had shown growth from the ToP to Broly movie. Thanks, I needed a light- Sanji. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed to defeat Broly. Beerus, Super powerscaling is greater than GT's one. So yeah he might legit be near Angle tier. Gogeta's power is way beyond the gods of destruction, Beerus wouldn't stand a chance against him especially in the blue form. Beerus would take this mid to high dif. your argument is headcanon, the ''multiverse'' wasn't a thing, but the fact that the otherworld is a part of the universe was emphasised. When he is attacked by Liqueur's Tail Energy Cannon Barrage, Belmod takes no damage from the assault. ?Then how do you know that Gogeta is stronger than Beerus just because he dominated Broly...Beerus never showed 100% of his power so Goku only compared Broly's power to Beerus when he fought against him in the God of Destruction arc...There's no evidence to suggest that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful than Beerus.They might can push Beerus.But defeating him is ridiculous.Beerus has millions years more training and fighting experience than the two combined... Beerus UI (Whis said he haven't his master UI) >>>>>> Beerus full power (Goku can never see Beerus using FP) >>>> SSB gogeta >> LSSJ Broly > LB jiren = MUI Goku. Might means maybe, while probably means most likely. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is ... a Spirit Bomb that was stated later in the Tournament to rival SS2 Kefla in raw power, ... since we don't know what level of UI Beerus has access to. A common debate. Knowing Beerus he wouldn't just stand by when he senses someone stronger than him. The fight between SSJ3 Goku and Beerus was one-sided, but Goku could still track Beerus's movements for the most part. I know that Vegito wasn’t able to win, especially due to the time limit. Utter. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was. I don’t think it’d be easy, but this one would go to Broly and Jiren. I just wanna rub it in the faces of people in here who can't tell a narrative device when they see one. SSJ4 Gogeta, or Vegito if he existed, don't stand a chance. then again gogeta can just kill the supreme kai and easily neg, Beerus grabs Gogeta by hair and says hakai. In August of last year, it was said that Broly was stronger than Beerus. Whilst Jiren was heavily supressed. In my honest opinion it's Beerus. NEVER has Whis stated that Broly's power was near a God of Destruction's domain, not even remotely close... Beerus has never ever stated how many % he has used during the fight between Goku during his God form. Provide the evidence Beerus stomps Broly. Did the authors make Trunks overpowered for no particular reason other than fanservice? This isn't like the T.O.P. Bias against GT or Super aside, who would win? Transformations do not matter, feats do not matter. The Z movie is irrelevant since after Super came out. cat dies. He only said "probably" and "might" when he was comparing it Beerus. If the two brothers were serious then they would've actually released more of their Ki's. MUI Goku surpasses Beerus and Jiren was able to swap hands with MUI Goku. R1: Beerus stomps. amrite? That's an amazing power! Never claimed otherwise. what is this a joke? That says Gogeta or Broly is on Beerus'level. @karkus: What? SS4 doesn't compare to SSB and above because it simply never got the feats. That literally makes no sense whatsoever. Beerus power level at 1 percent is 30 million. If we go by feats over scaling then we end up with stuff like SSG Ritual Goku > Jiren/broly. Universe 7 wasn’t a concept until DBS so it’s universal designation isn’t relevant. Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. @mainjp: There's no proof whatsoever to indicate Gogeta stronger than Beerus. Find me proof, all you doing is delaying the inevitable. Jiren shook the entire world of void just releasing a tiny bit of his Ki. Frieza was literally there for 1 hour fighting Broly and not only was he able to have a few bruises and injury, but he was CONSCIOUS and he WAS IN HIS GOLDEN FORM! Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise. @karkus: Why are you comparing feats to a gag episode? Now if by multiplying 10 by 30 mill = 10% then multiplying 100 = 100%. This is a big difference between "You might be stronger" than "On-par or entered the domains and POTENTIALLY even surpassing it" Moreover Jiren's tiny little amount of Ki released made Beerus sweat like a piss fountain and when he released a "hint of his true power" made Goku revert back to his base form, because he has realised the gap between them. He didn't say that. In Tournament of Power, Whis personally said that: "His powers has reached the domains of a God of Destruction or potentially has even surpassed it" when Jiren only released a bit of his Ki or that he was supressed heavily. @tony501: Belmod is stronger than Beerus. Even if he did, this is a battle between him and Beerus, he's not gonna let him leave and find the Supreme Kai. proof? spamming is not gonna change that. God Ki is needed in this fight, and even if SSJ4 Gogeta can damage hum with punches and kicks, it still most likely will be weaker than Beerus. Buu was going to destroy the mortal universe, there is nothing suggesting otherworld would have been destroyed too. Goku vs BeerusThanks For WatchingIn this video, I will be diving in on my personal very own personal power levels for DBZ, DBS, DBGT, DBH. @karkus: I asked you to provide proof first.If you can provide evidence to say that Broly is on Beerus' level then I will find it secondly... Marketing and announcement hypes don't count... @chasekilleen: I never claimed Broly was on Beerus's level. Super never stated how many %% Beerus was using, so he could he using 20% - 30% as an incredibly rough estimate. He has seen Beerus going all out in the manga (GoDs battle royale) and in the anime (Beerus vs Champa). Just think back to Trunks cleaving Fused Zamasu in half. Universe 7 wasn’t a concept until DBS so it’s universal designation isn’t relevant. That means no Bluff Kamehamehas from SSJ4 Gogeta nor a portion of own's power used by Beerus (AKA Full power used). I don't recall Jiren bursting his way out of a dimension via force or anything like that. And? In 2 or 3 hits, he dominated Frieza and KO'ED him in an instant. THE POWER GOGETA IS GIVING OFF IS BEYOND REAL!! Does that make a lick of sense scaling wise? Goku's power scaling was never 100% correct. As proven when Jiren said: "Both of your attacks are sharper" and when Goku Blue Kaioken + Vegeta Blue Evolution was attacking Jiren, Jiren tanked in all those hits and he was largely still sealing his powers off and during the Saiyan's assualt, never once did Jiren release anymore power/Ki nor his face expressions changed to a slightly more annoyed expression. 2 hours ago. Really, nothing to compare to Jiren and Toppo's feats, nor Mastered UI and C). He was comparing Jiren to Beerus'power as a God of Destruction at that time when he said that, naturally because he is Beerus' teacher and mentor, so he knows his strengths and weaknesses. Bloodmatch. Got in to a debate with a friend, I personally believe Gogeta can triumph Beerus but apparently his powers have been retconned to the point where he's near omnipotent. @karkus: Even Whis stopped Beerus and Goku's match when they were just merely "sparring". SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. I don't remember if Gogeta was even used in DBZ or it was just DBGT, but I know Vegito was used in the Buu Saga and was insanely powerful in comparison. ready to take you anytime. The only time he was serious was when he fought with Goku God form. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. I dare you to find me a quote from Toriyama and Toyotaro, or anything from a legitimate source. The Super never stated how much power Beerus even used when fighting Goku God form.The movie said close to 70%, but clearly he was bluffing, but that statement is full of crap anyway, since when Super anime came out, it retconned that entire statement.The only mortal beings capable of beating Beerus are Goku Mastered UI and Jiren and also his limit breaker form. Gogeta and UI Goku both bodied someone, one stated to be > beerus, the other => beerus. @deathwingterminatort1000: Please tell me how SSJ4 Gogeta does not stand up to SSB Goku, @deathwingterminatort1000: yea ik lol I was just fucking around with that post lmao. The only reason they don't is because they can counter their own shockwaves when they strike. So we can say that Goku is the least reliable power scaler in Dragon Ball (DB) franchise. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power.Gogeta/Broly did none of that even remotely close to what Jiren did when heavily surpressed try again. Already did. They aren't. He thrashed Goku Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken X20 and tanked in hits from Goku Kaioken Blue and Vegeta Blue Evolution whilst still surpressed. @phantasial: Dumb comparison considering Broly and Jiren both trashed stronger versions of SSG Goku, and while yes scaling is more important in cases like that DBS and GT don’t scale to each other which is why feats are more important. It's pretty much been implied both in the manga and anime that Belmod is more powerful than Beerus. When Jiren was heavily supressed, Whis states that 'His power enters the domain of the God of Destruction, or even surpassed it'. Goku said Broly was probably stronger than Beerus, and while he may not have seen his full power, he probably saw a decent amount in the baseball episode. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was "in the domains of a God of Destruction or surpassing it" and even Belmod himself in the manga has admitted that Jiren is more powerful than him, combat wise. Using what Dragon Ball Nation said (I don't know his real name) Whis would be 80% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,Gogeta goes 100%,toys with Whis a little,then takes the fight seriously and ultimately,wins with a couple of scratches.Now,since Dragon Ball Super is out,why not cover Champa and Vados and the Omniking. We see that even Beerus seems taken aback by the power of SSJB Kaiokenx10 Goku, so surely Vegito is over his power at least by some margin. There's no proof to suggest that Gogeta is even on Beerus' level.Judging by the movie.Gogeta hasn't shown anything in terms of feat wise that's even comparable to Jiren. filler is canon to GT so i'm not sure why it's brought up. Gogeta, one of Dragon Ball's strongest, is the Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta that was introduced to us canonically during Dragon Ball Super: Broly.Being a fusion, this form increases their power level tremendously, as seen in the movie, where they … There's no proof to even suggest that Broly was on Beerus' level, not even close. there is no scaling that puts him above that. That is a much better debate. He's also had the training of Whis, and Angel and the most powerful being in Universe 6 (I think it's 6, maybe 7). Tbh we could get clear confirmation on who wins if toei can tell us who's stronger between Vegito and beerus. Meaning he is much stronger than he was before. R2: Depends on whether Gogeta Blue held back against Broly or not. His power remained mostly undefined throughout Super other than being much stronger than SSB. Since Champa is weaker than Beerus,I put him 30% SSJ4 Gogeta. Although, there were statements outside the show saying Broly was stronger than a God of Destruction. No. In the anime Whis implied and in the manga Belmod was the only God of Destruction to dominate several other Gods of destruction. That was the ever-expanding, strength gaining shockwaves, not the impact. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Ssj-ssj2 gogeta would be a good fight for beerus. and it better not be ''my opinion''. this scaling are based off the official statements. We have not seen the true power of Beerus yet.This debate might never be answered, since there's technically no right or wrong answers. where his Universe is in danger of being erased where he and Whis can't intervene. Beerus utterly stomps. That just evidently means that he was comparing it to Beerus, when he said that Jiren is on par with a God of Destruction. I don't want any vague BS or excuses or any other useless comparisons from a stupid gag episode. There wasn't any of the sort saying that Broly was stronger than Beerus. They all show that something is possible. The same can't be said while fighting Broly. According to Goku, Beerus is around the level of Broly. But he has better skill, can use hakai and UIO. He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki. In Super, it's never stated which percentage Beerus actually used so it's difficult to judge. His power will be retconned until he's more powerful than Zeno, Seriously Goku should wipe the floor with him by realistic scaling even without UI, OT: I think it's been established that Super>GT in terms of power so Beerus should win. SS4 Gogeta simply lay for having the coolest design in the Dragonball lore. Gogeta effortlessly stomped a Beerus level enemy, he annihilates here since Beerus doesn’t get ridiculously stronger through the course of a fight like Broly does. He acknowledges that the power Jiren is showing right now isn't his full power, meaning he's likely gauging a Full Power Jiren. Gogeta and Broly hasn't even shown anything that's close to what Jiren was capable of during the Tournament of Power. I can't wait for the day we see a serious Beerus. And go to 3:06. Super Saiyan God increases the power by x700. Beerus in the manga pretty much bested the entire other Gods of Destruction and also without trying whatsoever one hit KO'ED Vegeta in his Mastered Super Saiyan Blue form, a form that's on par with Vegito Blue and he took Vegeta out in one shot, that's when he was serious, to teach Vegeta a lesson to not be cocky. This is about as much a universe buster as carbon emissions are a life wiper...in fact, that very attack, after only having its polarity reversed to positive, normal ki...didn't destroy anything at all. It's just a gag episode, Champa and Beerus were never serious. Even base super goku solostomps GT. Beerus playing around with him is reminiscent of 50% Frieza playing around with Namek-Saga Goku which was a power level difference of only ~20x. there was no mention of a ''mortal'' part, universe only. I can see what you were going for, beerus and goku weren't busting the universe either, they were causing magical waves that didn't bust the universe either. Beerus utterly stomps. Jiren would easily thrash Broly when he's heavily surpressed. He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki.He only said "Looks like they have managed it". While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. If Broly was on Beerus'level, you would think the least he can do is gravely injure Frieza? You don't know anything about the English language. What is Beerus's level? @tony501: Again with the baseless argument, with no proof whatsover...Any links? So,SSJ4 Gogeta does the same thing like last time except,he toys around with him more and goes 50%.Since Vados is stronger than Whis,I put her at 90% SSJ4 Gogeta. All you doing is giving implications and marketing hype from the movie's trailers and announcements. If Jiren beats the team, then Beerus gets erased. Jiren heavily surpressed scared Beerus, to the point that he was sweating and was nearly in despair. I personally like Gogeta more, so for me, he wins. This means ssg goku was around 2,100,000,000. @thelostshinobi: Even if he can damage Goku, which I doubt, there is no way he is beating Goku in 15 minutes. As we all know Whis is a teacher/mentor of a God of Destruction, so he knows pretty much every nooks and cranny regarding the powers of a God of Destruction. Unlikely and probably both show something is possible, but the latter connotes that it's more likely than the former. Who wins? SSJB Vegito or Gogeta- if that ever happened, would be a way better match up. But Beerus isnt even sweating Vegeta, which causes him to use the Final Flash on Beerus in which he uses his left arm to flick the attack like nothing. In Xenoverse, pairing Gogeta against Beerus will make Beerus say "Hohoho! so yeah, dozens of times uiversal is High multi universal. In the manga he was the only one who never got injured and in the anime he has beaten Beerus in arm wrestling challenge. Again, you literally have no proof whatsoever. Furthermore, many, many times has Goku been mistaken about his own and other people's power, he either always over/under estimates it. Broly didn’t reach full power until his fight with SSJ Gogeta. I'm not here to let you blow smoke up my butt and tell me otherwise.Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise especially if you have nothing to backup your claim...I am still waiting for proof that Broly is on Beerus' level... @karkus: Try again...You don't know anything about the English language. 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