0 Kudos StrymULTRA. That was because he was purposely fucking around with Omega Shenron. I haven't been keeping up with a lot of the new calcs and changes to DB characters. I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less nebulous than Goku's guess about Broly's power). 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SSB Gogeta being weaker than Beerus makes no fucking sense whatsoever, since the movie ended with Broly being on Beerus' level. Gogeta >>>>> Super One Star > 40x 3-A. Furthermore, Jiren got gradually stronger as the two fought and it's possible for him to do the same against Gogeta as well. Mid diff at best considering UI’s mechanics It could potentially surpass Gogeta/Vegetto if all of the characters' respective permutations are allowed that you mentioned. MUI is likely a Fusion amp. Then you're violating the powers at hand. He has 5 minutes right? Vados is known to have been stronger than Whis at one point and she even helped Whis with this training, making him stronger in the process. In terms of power, Whis can likely destroy anything that he wants and for him, defeating Jiren shouldn't be a task too arduous. Or if this has been discussed to death already. Unfortunately for Kefla, Jiren is far stronger than UI Goku, who beat Kefla without even being at the top of his game. Change it to Jiren vs. SSJ4 Gogeta, that would be fun to see. There is also no assurance that even Gogeta can defeat him because Gogeta is not as strong as Vegito. Even at ssj, Gogeta would be capable of slapping away ssjbkkx20 goku and ssbe vegeta in a similar fashion to … I would otherwise say that it wouldn't be due to both characters being equal to their Saiyan opponents at best when they were at … The only scaling for Beerus and Jiren is a magazine scan that claims MUI Goku is 'possibly' stronger than Beerus. So I do believe Jiren at the time was stronger than Vegito, hence Gogeta(Definitely when he releases his dormant power). I didn't know the DB universe was that freaking big. Sure, Vegito got high power levels and he is actually stronger than Beerus. Their combined power already adds up to roughly 40 times that of their regular SSB, so I have a hard time seeing Jiren not taking the fight against Gogeta with ease, since he'd only be slightly over 2 times that of SSBKKx20 Goku and SSBE Vegeta combined. There are no boundaries, no reason to hold back and Broly is going for the kill. I can buy Beerus being stronger than everything previous. Jiren is one of the most powerful characters in the world of Dragon Ball. Gogeta >>>> Omega at 40x. If even that. Gogeta is officially confirmed to be in the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie but which fusion is stronger? He's Stronger than SSB Kaioken x20 by a large amount so I expect him to beat the shit out of him with no effort. Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. Most of SSB Gogeta's attacks wouldn't/couldn't maim Broly let alone disintegrate him, so odds are Jiren can't oneshot Broly and prevent his growth. First of all, Gogeta is stronger than MUI Goku and Limit Breaker Jiren because Gogeta is made of Goku’s and Vegeta’s best traits and multiplies it by a lot so any power-up or transformation Goku or Vegeta gets is added to Gogeta. RELATED: Android 18: Who Is Dragon Ball's Female Cyborg? Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. He appeared as the main antagonist of the Tournament of Power arc who stood in the way of Goku and his friends as they aimed to win the competition and ensure the survival of their universe. Although he did step-up during the Tournament of Power, he is still far below the level of Jiren, which pretty much ensures that no matter what, he won't be able to defeat him right now. Nobody ever says that Jiren is stronger than either of them. Also is jiren weaker than Broly? Okay, so this isn’t exactly a reason why Gogeta is stronger than Vegito, but it should be. Knowing all this, I think we should either remove the "Possibly 2-C" part from Gogeta's profile or add a similar note to at least Limit Breaker Jiren and Ultra Instinct Goku, even if there is a good argument for Gogeta being stronger than Goku and Jiren. Since Gogeta in base is stronger than ssj blues individually, that would mean that even the weakest God form would be literally thousands of times stronger than ssb goku and vegeta. Save changes Preview Cancel. If that’s true, then Jiren, who has the power of a god, could really be stronger than all other Dragon Ball villains, including the Legendary Super Saiyan himself. If we're going by the anime continuity then Jiren is inarguably stronger than Broly. It may not display this or other websites correctly. MUI defeated Jiren, who is stronger than someone stronger than Beerus, according to Whis, who saw Beerus at his fullest. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. (edited by Rogeta234) 0. However, when compared to Jiren, Vegeta is nowhere close to his level, which means if the two were to fight again, Vegeta would, undoubtedly, lose the fight. The next arc's villain always surpasses the last arc's villain, and I don't see why Broly would be weaker than Jiren yet require an even stronger Goku and Vegeta to try out a new strategy to defeat him. Vegito appeared before the TOP Arc, where both Goku and Vegeta were much, much weaker. To be honest, the fact goku thinks broly may be stonger then Beerus yet we know for a fact Jiren is way stronger then any god of destruction should solve this. Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta, (spoilers) Read at your own risk. Such as the evidence that just regular SSJ1 Broly is already superior to Jiren (Who gave MUI Goku a very tough time). While Jiren is very powerful, there is absolutely no denying that Goku can take him down in the Mastered Ultra Instinct state, although for Goku, achieving that form once again has been a challenge ever since. In Dragon Ball Fusions, Super Gogeta is an A-Rank fusion making him weaker than Vegito (Base/Super Saiyan) who is an S-Rank. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. Everything about him, from his physical abilities to his techniques like Hakai, is mind-blowing. The only characters who have been proven to be stronger than Beerus are MUI Goku and Limit Breaker Jiren. Furthermore, Hit's progression, especially when fighting opponents who are stronger than him had been noted to be incredible. All his children are known to be powerful enough to beat the Gods of Destruction, and the fact that he is even stronger than them means that Jiren is no more than a bug to him. That's kinda how ki in DB works bro. Super Saiyan Broly V.S Limit Breaker Jiren Speed Equalized (Is this even necessary? If even that. He is the author of some of the articles here that you liked, and others that you didn't. So somehow, Broly is going to be stronger than a God of Destruction. For the sake of this argument we are removing that hand in hand factor. They're pathetically weak compared to Frieza. By adding Jiren's RE to the mix, it sounds pretty even. Jiren is stronger than belmod but that can easily be 7 as belmod a 6.8. And there wasn't any doubt Jiren was stronger than MZ in 110, or any doubt he's the strongest they had ever fought, but then Whis says "perhaps" he's stronger than GoD level. RELATED: 10 Dragon Ball Superheroes Reimagined As Villains. level 1 Though it will give them a fair chance, it will still be risky because, after the fusion, Vegeta and Goku will be out of stamina. Although Jiren appeared to be stronger initially, Goku's ever-growing strength proved to be too much for him by the end. Goku couldn't defeat Jiren on his own so he fuses with Vegeta and takes on Jiren. Gogeta only fought Broly though and Broly is obviously stronger than Kefla was. No it hasn't been proven Gogeta is stronger than Beerus. If Jiren is stronger than Fused Zamasu, there is no way Vegeta or Goku can defeat him alone. Whis is the Angel attendant of Universe 7's God of Destruction, Beerus. While Broly's strength is said to be close to that of a God of Destruction, Jiren's power far surpasses that mark, as seen during the Tournament of Power. 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For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Pretty sure Jiren has this in the Bag. Jiren is considered one of the strongest characters in Dragon Ball, but there are still a few fan-favorites who could beat him in a fight. MUI and Gogeta Blue are relative. One of tropes that exists throughout the Dragon Ball mythos, but originally introduced in Dragon Ball Z, is that two fighters can fuse together to form a new, hybrid individual with vastly augmented power and abilities. He's said to be stronger than Belmod, the God of Destruction of his Universe, which paints his powers to be something truly majestic. No, it wouldn't. Jiren > GoDs = 40x 3-A. Goku, on the other hand, scales to the One-Star Dragon, who downscales from being 10x weaker than his next form who's able to destroy the universe. You are using an out of date browser. Kefla only got to fight UI Goku, where UI is just an absurd power boost beyond what fusion, blue, or ssj4 ever give But … It also fits with Toriyama's RoF statement through Whis, where he says Goku and Vegeta could surpass Beerus if they worked together. Isn't Jiren an order of magnitude stronger than Toppo? Gogeta or Vegito? Well, currently it's unfair because the saiyan fusion would have access to Sign at the very least, and I'm inclined to say UI too. I think OP … More History; Done. For Jiren, this fight should be rather easy, however, we expect Kefla to fare well against him. Regardless if the DB universe treats it as a hand in hand stat to durability and power. In the third … The potara fusion or fusion dance? Although Jiren appeared to be stronger initially, Goku's ever-growing strength proved to be too much for him by the end. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. However, due to lack of training, Gohan has gotten weaker with time. However, when it comes to fighting someone like Gogeta, Broly struggled quite a lot, which is why we're certain that Jiren is powerful enough to defeat him in combat. Gohan is the son of Goku and Chi-Chi, making him a half-blooded Saiyan. My guess is the reason they are giving us the quote is that at some point in the movie, Beerus or Whis may say that Broly is “even” stronger than himself. Gogeta wouldn't one-shot Jiren, he didn't one-shot Super One-Star Dragon who has the same feat as the GoDs Jiren scales above to. Goku and Vegeta finally get their long awaited rematch but one of them isn't canon. So why do the Pride Trooper's stink so much? Who is stronger? (Broly didn't even to fight SSB Blue Goku x20 Kaioken). Universe 6's famed assassin, Hit an extremely powerful character, strong enough to kill most who stand in his path. If Goku UI is stronger than Gogeta Blue, that means Jiren, too, is stronger than Broly, because the difference in power between Goku UI and Jiren LB is smaller than the difference between Gogeta Blue and Broly FP. FP Broly Got Thrashed by a Gogeta Blue that wasn’t trying while Jiren fought Against MUI Goku on almost Equal Footing As LB and Was Dominating UIO as well. No when we equalize speed we are just equalizing that specific stat. Broly is a Saiyan from Universe 7 who grew up on Planet Vampa after being exiled by King Vegeta long ago. SSJ Gogeta against Jiren may be a fair fight, but SSJB Gogeta would be too much for even Limit Breaking Jiren this is going via power scaling though, statements say LSSJ Broly is ''possibly'' stronger than Beerus while Jiren is definitely above him imo (while Gogeta is above Broly). Wouldn't Jiren's RE allow him to keep pace and eventually overcome this Goku or just seal him? He was easily destroying Super One Star Dragon, who's around the same level the GoDs Jiren scales above, and given he would be willing to kill via SBA, he would easily overwhelm Jiren, on which case the latter's RE would be really useful, but overall I see Gogeta taking this. Also, Goku said that Broly might be stronger than Beerus, while it was suggested by comments made in Dragon Ball Super that Beerus was greatly eclipsed by Jiren. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, someone who according to Goku, who has not seen Beerus's full power, MIGHT be stronger than him. FlatZone wrote: Super Full Power Jiren, Hit, and Gogeta will fight Godslayer Hearts together, MUI just can't cut it so they are bringing Gogeta out instead. Wouldn't that be a stomp the other way around? JavaScript is disabled. When Jiren shows up, it's heavily implied he's the one mortal stronger than GoD, which would likely include Beerus. Hit's physical abilities are incredible, however, his strength is his ability to skip through time. So SSB Gogeta would, at most, be 96 times stronger than SSB Goku or Vegeta. The fusion of Kale and Caulifla, Kefla is an extremely powerful warrior from Universe 6. As explained by Vados during the Tournament of Power, Jiren's powers are even beyond time, which means no matter how much Hit improves his time-skip, he is more likely to lose the fight than not. LSSJ Broly is on par if not stronger than LB Jiren & LB Jiren was getting a few good hits on MUI Goku SSB negg diffed LSSJ Broly So, SSB Gogeta would also be stronger than if he appeared in the ToP In conclusion, SSB would stomp MUI Goku. He doesn't present the evidence when asked about it. If he doesn't fuck around with Jiren he One-Shots and if he does then Jiren will gradually climb to his Power Level or try to seal him. It was stated that Fusion was allowed and they both saw a potara fused a character a while back. Rumor: Ultra Instinct Goku, Jiren, Super Saiyan 4 Goku, and Gogeta coming to Dragon Ball FighterZ Season 2 Vergeben also claims that he heard Season 2 will be bigger than … There's a clear distinction in the level of power that is portrayed there. In the Manga, Goku got some hits in before Jiren started adjusting his fighting style to counter Goku's movements at which point, the two were fighting evenly until Jiren outlasted Goku, so Goku = Jiren > Belmod and any difference between Goku and Jiren were negligible. As one of Dragon Ball's strongest, Jiren is someone whose strength surpasses that of even a God of Destruction, quite possibly making him the strongest known mortal to ever exist in the multiverse. So Jiren is over 10x stronger than Goku. Jiren prior to breaking his limits was said to be at or above the level of the gods by whis. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. Beerus isn’t a guy whose gonna be surpassed so subtle and subliminally. Kale also shat on nearly everyone but Jiren when she went wild. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. In the TOP Jirens feats really are overwhelming when put into context. Why would it be? Yeah, Jiren stomps. If hearts is trying to overthrow the omni king and jiren, hit, Android 17,trunks, piccolo can't beat hearts what chance does gogeta have of beating him.. And why does hearts look like gogeta is a challenge.. No, Infact Vegito basically gets ass raped. So Jiren is over 10x stronger than Goku. Would this still be added if I took away Gogeta's time limit? If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. As such, defeating him is quite an arduous task. Being an Angel, her power far surpasses the likes of the Gods of Destruction and in a fight against Jiren, Vados would emerge victorious. Regardless of whether or not he’s stronger than Beerus specifically, it’s still extremely impressive and it definitely means it’s possible that he’s stronger than Frieza. Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? He's definitely the strongest they have ever fought, but only perhaps stronger than GoD level. You can connect with him on his email: reipenber17@gmail.com. I think Hit would be elimated so quickly. If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you donate. Despite that, however, Hit won't be able to defeat Jiren in a fight. A one-stop shop for all things video games. Mostly I just want to know if this would be a stomp or not. Damn. Jiren also fought a lot of foes and was much stronger than most, even fighting against goku with UI two times and a fully powered vegeta. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. That's enough for gogeta to treat ssjbkkx20 goku or ssbe vegeta like beerus did to ssj3 goku. 4 Can Defeat: Broly. Beerus is the God of Destruction of Universe 7 and quite possibly the strongest known God of Destruction there is. Video games. The writers were very careful to preserve Vegetto and Gogeta during that arc. Potara was a fusion so powerful it was even stronger than SSJ3 goku in base form. If Jiren were to fight Broly, it feels quite plausible that the more experienced and disciplined Universe 11 Pride Trooper would prevail over the more reckless, less-focused Universe 7 Saiyan. Not even Whis or anyone stated Goku and Vegeta would be able to win this fight fused. Even if he's physically weaker than Jiren, he has hax abilities, such as Hakai, up his sleeve, which basically ensures that Beerus will absolutely not lose to him. Ignore this guy. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. If anyone thinks otherwise, they're welcome to explain why. please stop commenting on this thread its been concluded for 2 months. So why do the Pride Trooper's stink so much? We know that Jiren is physically stronger than MUI Goku. Not a single one of them (other than the exclusions) would be able to stand up to the might Frieza for more than a few minutes. The resulting fusion should net a pretty sizable increase in power regardless. Gogeta is vastly above Omega, who's 10 times stronger than Syn, who matched FPSSJ4 Goku, who is baseline, Omega is 40x baseline for destroying the Dragon Ball sized universe. MUI Goku defeated Jiren, who is stronger than a GoD that is stronger than Beerus, based on a statement made by Whis, who is Beerus's teacher and knows his full power. Thanks to Kale's special Super Saiyan form, Kefla is several times stronger than an average fusion should be. Gogeta (Dragon Ball Super) @shaneherald you do realize the DB Super Gogeta stomps Vegito right? I personally think they would wreck his ass. Goku vs. Jiren never took more than a minute, so this should be fine. I want to say Gogeta but I want to say that I am seeing a trend of speed equalize in a lot of these debates and if speed is equalized and In Dragon Ball speed is a part of your power and durability then that would mean that both characters are equal in power and durability. 10 Stronger… The reason why Kefla is stronger than Fusion Zamasu is the following. So if your lightspeed thanks to planet busting power level than a Farmer with a Shotgun who gets light speed becomes planet level since Ki ties in speed & power. Since we’re talking GT, I’ll take a liberty or two. Now if we compare this to Jiren, obviously Jiren was a lot stronger than both Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta combined but this is not a tournament anymore. Jiren can increase his power to keep pace with Gogeta the same way Broly did, only Jiren can do so with much more strategy and endurance. Fans have debated for years whether or not Vegetto was stronger than Gogeta, but Dragon Ball Super: Broly essentially proved that Gogeta is the stronger fusion of the two. LB Jiren, while arguably stronger than MUI Goku, lost to MUI Goku due to Goku's skill in UI. -Jiren suppressed is not even phased by Goku SSB x20. I said their ki would be adapted to that speed correlation. 16:19, May 4, 2019. For starters, Jiren is stated to be stronger than a god of destruction. Now the only thing we know is that Jiren was stronger than … according to Diazenzhuu. 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